ohio, and i don't meet a lot of victories. i see a lot of hard work in ohio ans. >> "new york times" political att eyha o sverallate winning ohio is 3.6%. as we've been tell you, no republican has won the white house without it. despite the polls piling up against him mitt romney insists he can win. >> i believe in america, and i believe in you. i believe you're gngo hp whi'lll t all right. >> i want to bring in carl bernein, contributor to "the daily beast" and lynn sweep, columnist and bureau chief for the chicago sun times. good morning to both oyou. >> gor. youookseollsnd you wonder, carl, if you're running mitt romney's campaign, what do you do now? do you hear that clock ticking? >> i think there's a fundamental problem and that is the republican party.

that their polls reflect the fact that the real issue in this campaign h become the bl p iwashington, and that it's a radical party such as we've never seen in a presidential race before, that mitt romney has become a captive of it. as we have seen in the senate races that are shifting more and more towards democrats who are expeed to lose or be mpete,t'sbout t republicans are in washington and really radical message that romney is saddled with and he can't get out of it. the 47% remark is devastating because iteally reflects what so many people in th rlica majority in washington, in the house particularly, believe, that these are free loaders, that these are people that aren't worthy of our consideration really as human beings in our social coract mneyd out lt in his party leave and what an

ideology in his party has come to embrace. it was no accident he said it. he stuck with it. >> that would be a radical shift from what a lot of people thought thisampaign would be, lynn, and certainly what t romney campaign wanted it to be whh i aerm on the president. do you agree that this could be a referendum on the republican party and republicans in congress? >> well, i respectfully disagree a bit because in the end this is more about the two men running, inou ecthe context,s cl th republicans in congress are unpopular but actually so are the democrats. here is my point. just as one video seemed to have been the game changer in this election, the 47%er, we still have three debes coming , whift ey d a turn around, he has a chance, starting tuesday -- starting october 3rd in denver, wednesday -- where he has, i think, some of the few chances left to try and figure out a way

to turn this around. to elain if tre is a ann wh he really want wants to do that will be more inclusive than that video sent. he has a few chances left if trend is against him but i'm not ready to call it yet. >> i have to say, it does see over the last 24, 48 hours they do some very specific thing. 'sn g ton of o interviews. after all, the criticism early on that he was never there to be interviewed. let me play a little clip from yesterday. >> throughout this campailmpaig well. don't forget, i got everybo i 100% of the kids in my state have health insurance. i don't think there's anything that shows more empathy and care about the people in this country than that kind of record. >> a lot of people who follow politic, carl,heir jaw dropped from that. he w running awayrom ow tking about it. >> he's damned if he does, he's damned if he doesn't.

he ran against ted kennedy in 1994 as a left of center republican and now running as a far right candidate trying to run away from his own record, d rding to runk he who the hell know where's he is. >> let me ask your expertise. would it have been a bad idea for him to say, look, from the beginning i insured 100% of kids in massachusetts, and we did it in a different way than the presidt is proposing, a smter y. t -- eos effective way. >> a granddaughter, a small question when, in fact, the big question is his credibility as a candidate. it's shocked. can he win? sure. there's still scenario he could win. there are debates. e prlem the batee' a big glass jaw out there on what he said in 1994. he's really trapped. he's trapped by himself and he's trapped by the people who have captured him on the republican right. in washington, eree

since the mccarthy era, a hunt for so-called radicals on the other side. there's never been a really radical democratic party, but now we have in washington a truly radical republican party way outside the mainsm of even theal reagan party. there's a huge problem that romney has to position himself. he was in a position to make it one point obama and his presidency the issue. he's lost that chance by what ppened at the convention. >> actual, i think height haosat chance when he picked paul ryan as his running mate. >> absolutely. lynn is absolutely right. >> that's -- that is where that turned. before then, i think it was a referendum on obama's tenure as the lead of our economy. >> right. he had bob portman,e had a perfect chance to win ohio to say i'm a centrist mainstream republican. here i am. i told you people on the right where i stand on things. i'm now not going to pick the

most radical, both fis fiscally and in terms of physicalolic guy in washington of any influence. he went to ryan and he stuck with him now and he brought him nothing, ryan. >> charlie crist, a rmepublican and now independent and he does support president obama. governor, goodseyou. rloi wl as lynn's and let's talk about this selection of paul ryan. you come from a state obviously with a very large older population, key voting bloc. they vote in big percentages. did he buy into, my choosing ryan, the medicare plan which now inve swing staho not just that people favor president obama's approach but they favor it by double digits. this isn'tven close. >> it's pretty stunning. i think the selection did make that a crystal clear cice between these two candides. tel h nine-point in florid the

advantage for president obama. and i think a large part of the reason is due to the medicare and social security issue. but i really think it comes down to something that carl was just talkg about. this tape that was done of candidate romn when he was at thed-er w extremely revealing and now has become terribly devastating to the romney campaign. and what it shows is, i think, a callousness and an attitude toward 47% of the people that we haven't seen in a candidate befo. what candidateal lehat saat y know, i can't worry about those people and i'm not going to be able to change them and have them have personal responsibility. i mean, it's absolutely stunning to hear those kinds of candid remarks from somebody who wants to be president of the entire country. >> there's anoth problem with nting at.ks that the govnor is also, it's too bad there's not somebody from the romney camp to join us, people clubbing to guy today here on the show.

but at the same time, those comments reflect an ignorance about america at is absolutely stunning. ac of knowledge that i've never seen in a presidential candidate before. how could romney not know that those people areveterans, that those people are people who are on medicaid, peoe who can't aslp themselves foall kin of the disability. they're not just moochers, as some in the republican party would have it. now romney is running around saying, oh, yeah, i know that's who they are. why in the hell didn't henow in the first place and open his yap like that? itakes no sense osidef sh ignorance that i've never seen a presidential candidate say anything like that. >> having said that, governor, and i think lynn makes a good point. first of all, you have three debates coming up. a very critical one coming up next week. you know, we've also seen or the last couple of weeks that there are events outside the contro ernde, talking about what happened in

libya, talking about other things that are going on in those arab spring countries. is it too soon to be running the epitaph for the romney campaign and what can they do in places like frida and ohio? rty,hi it's too soon to be running the epitaph. 40 days left, that's an eternity in politics. with the three debates coming up, one in wednesday and the last one will be held here in the sunshine state. those are always opportunies for both candidates to project a ssage thathe wano p to election day itself. but let's also remember, people are t voting early and a lot of states already across the country. and that's something that should not be lost in this discussion. while these polls are where they are today, and i know they're just a snapshot, people are tively enging in e voting. and so i think that's gnificant and important. but the debates will be important and the fact that there are three of them, plus the vice presidential debate, does give the romney campaign

ample opportunity to sort of recalibrthings. bu ase, i would much rather be with the president than governor romney's campaign. i mean, it's a tough time for them. >> one quick point on the last presidential debate. it will be in boca raton, the very place wre that vidta wae. let me ask you something else, lynn, about those early voters. traditionally they've been people they know who they're going to vote to, decided people. i would take something probably pretty big for them to move it. so the chances, i think, of mething catastrophic happening to either candidate making a humisstep is probably pretty small. but never the less, given the fact that so many states are now started to come online with early voting, how big a factor is that? >> well, in any of these states where the battleground states, which is what we're really talking about, chris, i would thk yodon' wanoak a chance. that's why every time mrs. obama is on the campaign trail, she talks about going up and voting,

especially to students. she has a very tailored mess taj. you might over sleep, you might get into a class. you don't want to take your plus fold irs and eta ce on s up. that's why you want to lock them in early so that somebody doesn't change their minds, so that somebody doesn't have an emergency and can't go or just whatever life brings you on that voting day. and that's why in the end this is really a ground game for all suat we mht t abo o the undecideds are very few. that's what this campaign is about now. it's about more than anything, getting out your vote, ground game is very important. >> i have some very interesting conversations on this program, partularly with people who are involved with super pacs who gnan obviously of these hundreds of millions of dollars that are being spent. there was a great piece in the "washington post" this morning that outlined how they say president obama spent smarter on advertising. let me just give you an example for an ad in ohio, he's paying abou125 bucks.

and that samepot isos a republican super pac $900 because candidates get discounts under federal election law. and i wonder if -- how you think, carl, ads are going to play inthow ts campaign eventually goes and, you know, is there advantage to one side or another? >> well, fstf ink the worst thing that has happened to romney is an ad that repeats the 47% statement. and that keeps running in the battleground states. there's nothing he can do about it. at the same time, i think a lot of this negative aertising has canceled itself out. thfree mediasak a huge difference in this election. it's really moving the numbers much more than this super pac adverting . i think that the citizens united decision by the supreme court is really the worse thing tt's haedou electoral system in maybe 50 years and we're trying to live with it. and happily in this election, the candidates seem to be

drowning each other out in this expensive advertising, and people more and more are looking at free media. t one of e bigbl romney is that 47% video which is being looked at time and time again, both in ads and on the news. and let me just also say though, that, you know, these polls are still a snapshot. things could change. i suspect the mig well g li closer in this race. people might say the momentum is going to go another way. but what is so interesting to me is what republicans that i know in washington areaying to me, and that is tt their own poing shows trending moving away from roey v worrisome way. and that they think they're headed for a train wreck, unless something very surprising happens in some kind of rabbit or event is pulled out of a hat. >> before we go i have to ask you,governor. we've en anotherlhat s y lngick scott in

a hypothetical governor's race in 2014. are you thinking about it? >> i'm thinking about re-electing president obama and that's awful portant. we only have 40 days to go. that's what the focus needs to be. this is probably the most important electi we have. i think the country is at cross ros. we need lsi obto get the job done and make sure that all citizens are looked out for in this great country. >> you're not thinking about it yet? >> i'm not. >> all right. well, it's good to see you. thank you so much for coming on. always glad to have you, carl. lynn sweet, thank y as well. 90rs uct we hope you all come back and fill some of them for us. we do appreciate it. the other big thing people have been talking about, and that is the nfl. outrage among fans and players finallhit the boiling point. the controversy got so b it wasn ioin approximate presidential campaign. the nfl's regular referees are going back on the field night. will they be ready? we are live at the nfl's headquarters in new york with the overnight deal. ♪

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prepare to see a lot more of mitt romney and paul ryan on the sa stage at the same time mpinge moften e going to be in coming weeks. "the new york times" writes that ryan helps get people, quote, more fired up about mr. romney's message than mr. romney does at his own rallies. at the same time, there was a satire in politico and it's been fueling speculation tha the eynathi is strained. joan meg now, the author of that piece, chief political columnist for politico, roger simon. i thought it was pretty funny but some readers were confused

that your piece was aat le read an excerpt. reportedly, ryan has been marching around his campaign bus saying things like, if stench call, take a message, and tell stench i'm having finger sandwiches with peggy noonan and i'll text him later. politico added a editor'se if aut the satire, but i know some readers were indeed confused. tell me about what's been going on with this piece. the point and the reaction. >> sure. the point is that i didn't invent the word stench. i think if i h called mitt romn mr. stench it woue iadte would never have done it. the fact is that word that phrase comes from the former political director of the iowa airobinson, who was quoted by name in the "new york times" as saying if paul ryan wants a

future, he will have to -- he will have to wash the stench of mitt romney off of him. so i used that. i very, very nice note the next morning, an e-mail, from the paul ryan campaign. very polite. it said, you know, we know this is satire, but could you help us out here and maybe mak le mole i satire? i could have said no. i could have said, you know, if people don't get it, they don't get it. but i thought to myself what if the romney/ryan ticket loses vni 1 instead of ead o jt 10 just 9 and it's my fault. you know, i'll carry that on my conscience forever. so i wrote a little note at the bottom saying, in a fny way, don't worry, folks, this is satire. although -- >> having said that, i me

ere e real points, real political points that are being made as a result of this about what's going on inside the campaign and what do you think is the main thing, as people look at what peggy noona has called this very dysfunctional campaign that needs aal makeover. >> yeah. >> what is it? >> this is a common dynamic. the number twon the ticket often has a very distinguished record. paul ryan has a longer record in congress, in washington, far longerhan mrohaet paul ryan is treated like a surrogate. he doesn't get to choose his own staff. he has a staff loyal to mitt romney, around him every minute. he is told what to say and told what to do. nnbumns not long as romneys winning. he's losing, and that unleashes the vice presidential candidate to act in his or her own way,

sarah palin to start attacking barack obama more. as asd paul ryan to start using power point because power point is a bad sign is exactly what you showed at the top. having your vice president and esidential candidate cig together is a huge waste of resources. you want them split up campaigning in different places on different days and getting twice the punch for the campaign. puttinthem together does nothingor you. >> it is something that people are talking about. i think it's the number one most read on politico so people can check it o there. roger simon, great to talko you. >> great to talk to you, chris, as always. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahus g spoo ad is expected to spell out red lines to deter

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mnre tg a direct a proech in two new campaign ads. >> if i could sit down with you in your living room or around the kitchen table, here's what i'd say. when i took office we were losing nearly 800,000 jobs a month and were mired in ir. toda bvets nn we moving forward again. >> more americans are living in po verity than when president obama took office. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next 4 years. helping lift familieout of poverty and strengthening the middle css. doeis slhase of the ad wars and this campaign? i'm joined now by democratic strategist steve and deputy manager for john kerry and by former republican governor of michigan. good morning, gentlemen. >> good morng. >>veatyoin iss t n face of the campaign? does it help most candidates to be more direct and obviously

very different than some of the attack ads we've seen, especially from the super pacs? >> all campaigns have a rhythm and as you get closer to the end, pple understand that there's a choic between two people at t top of th cket aneyt t hrro t directly about what their plans are for the american people. we believe this election is a choice and i think when people look at the choice between the two candidates barack obama is going to win. >> mitt roey's numbers are down in key swing states and let m pla fouha was said yesterday by former -- by ohio governor john kay sick about those polls. >> in ese polls don't even pay attention to them. the numberyou just cited are numbers i didn't pay attention pewhouk, it defendscaut how you ask, it depends what the sample is. look, i think this is very close out here. >> governor, three polls in swing states in just a couple of days. they all show the movement

2re7 trendi away from mitromney, t shin ina am polling in the romney that's telling them something different, are they kidding themselves? >> well, i think that's internal to the romney campaign, i don't even know those numbers but i can tell you the two ads we just saw are engaging on the right topic for the american t vors. ausinsndle last week had a meeting. our ceo said it privately and then publicly yesterday, we released a big drop, third sharpest drop in expect i gus so as of ceos on sales and hiring than we've seen in ten years. the economy is n gd anr caator prency to be talking about competing growth agendas, that ought to be good ground for romney. >> why is that message not getting out? what has he done that's not been effective? >> i don't know. maybe taxes, tapes, conventions. >> 47%, yeah? age ihis campaign.s thi i believe with governor kasich. before governor of 1990, the

weekend before in the front page of the paper said i would lose 54-40. these polls are not what voters are thinkg often and i say thdisagn the economic issues. governor romney can't win on those issues, he won't win. but i think he ca >> well, you know, we've also seen and talked about this earlier in the hour about how there seems to be a change in rategy on mitt romney's part, goinout more with his vt shul candate,y gting ohe anin l m interviews. we're seeing a lot more of ann romney. here she was appearing on "the tonight show" with jay leno and "access hollywood" where she called her husband -- we don't have that but cald him the life of the party. ople, steve, helping to try to introduce your candidate at this stage of the game? >> well, i'd like to agree with governor angler. i think you two candidates in the ad showed very different views of how to grow the economy. you know i think ann romney is thmilema a rson.

terrific person. i think, you know, joe biden and paul ryan have very different views of the world, but at the end of the day i think people are going to go out and vote in this election based on the two principles, based on what they think about mitt romney and what they think about barack obama and what they think about their sior the econy. n'in you know, all the rest of it sort of helps create a picture but i don't think people are going t vote in this election based on other people other than the two candidates. >> if a big problem for mitt romney is this 47% comment and it does seem that things hav trended away from him since co cou unring the io bell? i want to show you an example and obviously it's a spoof, it's from jimmy kimmel, but he was using that, look directly into the camera ad. look what he did with it >> more americans are living in am t of.than when predent we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good

payingjob. i'm mitt romney. and i approve of this message. riha bell? ho >> well, he shouldn't try to unring it because i think he should defend what he said and move on because if we are headed down the same path that 47% which i think is 53%,hi in'rin have more people -- what you want is an economy that doesn't have a record number of people out of the workforce. you don't want one in five american males to get up in the morning without a job to go to. i think a dueling debate about the jobs -- the president has had four years to put a plan forward. plus unployment, nowor0 ts ineomney campaign, if they stay on the economic message in the debates and in their ads and in their campaign rallies will be in a fine position by election day. the president has got to defend p record. romney better have a bet youer view. i think he does. >>ovr erhank you so much. also making this news this

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that's up 16% from last year. a record170 million people plan to celebrate halloween apparently. that's seven in ten americans that are going to get into the mood. eachpeon, chrilpe on average $79.82 on decoration, costumes, and candy, that's up from $72.31 last year. i guess what people are spending on their pet costumes, by pet, i mean dogs, of course, a record $370 milln. iuprl 30% from last year. i believe that pet costumes, chris, are the industry's fastest growing costumes. >> and saking of candy, a lot of kids are mistaking these little laundry detergent pods. they're laundryer pods, they make them for your washing machine. there's a call for new safety precautions because they look so enticing to kids. >> they do. they do. anned a have casey consumer report is asking the consumer product safety cmission to take steps regarding the dangers

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>> yeah. ablutely. a party has been harvesting nanciaou fhe re cycle and they've put to it all these media markets but the races change really quickly over the last two months of the campaign. so party committees right now look over polli data, they look over candidates, they look over the trends and the races to figure out which ones are going to be worth their resources in ese la potaleend h ones are not, which races and which candidates and sometimes incumbents are on the chopping block. >> sometimes the most fascinating race is todd akin, of course, the republican who made those controversial comments about rape. and, you owhe rli pawallfo t step down. he got of a phone call from paul ryan. and yet he stuck in. part of the calculation seemed to be once they realize i'm not going anywhere, they're going to give me money because they still want to have the opportuni t be clae mas. d off? it. >> could pay off in the long run. initially, cross roads, the big

republican super pac, and the nrc, republicans campaign on, they pulled their money from th race after todd akin made those comments. ey said we're not spending on thisuy. sawel a move to force hip out of the race. now that the deadline has passed for akin to get off the ballot, senate republicans released a statement yesterday saying they're sowhat reconsidering. i think if this is a close race a couple weeks out fm election day i wouldn't be surpris if you sawonseativ gros g rendtart spending on his behalf. a senate seat is a senate seat. >> you also mentioned larry kissle of north carolina. how does that look? >> since north carolina republicans redrew the lines in that state they drew him a s rec prospects are always somewhat hopeless. what we've seen in the last couple of weeks, house democrats have started pooling their ad buys one week at a time from that district in theseivotal weeks in october. so it doesn't look like larry kissell right now is going to get a lot of help.

>> national republican concede that congressman joe walsh of illinois would lose his re-election bid p he's running against iraq war veteran tammy duckworth. is that more competitive? >> there are some signs. the national republican congressional committee, t horeicamn a cable time just yesterday in areas that are included in the eighth district where joe walsh is seeking re-election. so we're seeing some hints at roll call and internal polls floating around that this race could be competitive. still not sure it's vy lo o r illinoisdta a that are competitive but it's rising. >> it's one that a lot of people are watching. so give us the inside scoop. ho el s who else are you looking at that cou be facing the chopping block? >> let's go to florida. davidive air a,e's had a lot of ethical es lyta stories in the miami herald this week. national republicans have not reserved any time there at all.

they just pulled out of that race this week. to me, it's a question of whether national republicans will see this as enough of a race to invest. my guess ino. i don't think youill onol s there in the end. the democratic side, i would watch for john in massachusetts. the massachusetts is a true blue state. john tierney has had ethical problems of his own. >> it was a fascinating article. glououomnd t t . thanks so much, shira. >> thank you. today's tweet of the day comes from the plethora of tweets over the nfl referee deal. this is from esfn's freddie coleman. big thanks to replacement refs thespite being in or tir heidoivtr a lot more heart than most. ques?

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the replacements are out. the nfl referees will hit the field tonight after stent tively agreeing to an eight-year deal. the longest for nfl officials in

history. stephanie gosk join mess now in new york. power of the people. than whe stephanie. >> yeah. the fans definitely win the. the officials might win as well. you know, if the point of this strike was to prove, without a doubt, how important the nfl officials arto the game then you can say more or less it was a success. but threeeeks md, bungd calls, misinterpreted rules and general chaos. when the officials went to the cable last night after that call, that las call in the seahawks/packers game on monday night, they were really negotiating from a position of strength. and they had most of what they la tir pensions stayed the same. the one stipulation is that the nfl will be able to evaluate their performance and hire more refs that go into a kind of training pool that they can tap into if an official on the field isn't doing their job well. overall, you can say this was sus r thffls n. chri >> what's the word out there? is this like riding a bike. the refs have been out of the

game for so long. will they be ready tonight? >> they say they will. they've been out but they've also been watching these games very closely andhey know the rules well they say they'reea tt ll in and call the game. they will be watched very, very closely. it's sort of funny because the refs are always the enemy in these games and this is a situation where they're going to come into games and be cheered by fans who will thrilled to see them onhe field. s thad se dot kn how much s ce in from what happened inside those negotiations about really was the pressure from the fans. were they concerned, for example, i was talking to bob costas about this yesterday. whenever y have a game that's decided controversially, yeah, maybe thatoesaw b attend of the season, if that game is a difference in the playoffs, then it sort of bubbles up all over again. do we know what the final pressures were because it sure seemed like the nfl owners were

pretty dug? atent om t nflhat w saw tha said, look, you know, they blew a call on monday night. they should have called pass interference on the offense. they dn't. that would have given the game to the packers and the packers lost that game. you als had this complete lack of faith and trust in tho ofal tield across the board. the fans are upset. you had the coach us upset. a number of fines because the coaches, even the most experienced coaches got so angry they did things that everyone knows yo shouldn't do, like grab a refs. an of urse thela themselves are going to be glad that they are back there. it was really pressure from all sides. and we saw the officials proving, as i said, without a doubt, that they really are needed out there. it's not just anyone who can walk offhe street, all it lk the street and call one of thegames. >> someone made the comment yesterday, i'm going to steal

the thought, you take the refs who everybody kind of loves to hate because at some point or the other their calls have gone ainst your team and you've turned them into these unlely heroes pele whote t syf the players, people who, you know, at least have the skills and the understanding of the rules which are very different from the ones that these replacement referees, you know, work under, and so suddenly the refs are kind of the good guys. how did that happen >>tl also, most football fans are aware of the fact that to be an nfl player, you need to have a lot of skill, you need to have a lot of experience, and it's really the elite that are out there. what we now know is that the officials are the elite as well. chris? u.tephanie gosk, greatoee re to see you, too. that wraps up this hour of jansing and company. thomas roberts is up next. >> chris, i might have missed it. i know you're all high over the -- are you a browns fan? >> you have no idea. >> really? >> tonight's a big night. >> head to head toni baby

e ransstyoow >> you're going down. >> look at that expression. my gosh. >> i got to hope, you know. >> we'll have a side bet going on. my gosh, that was frosty. okay. chris, thank you. comin up next hour, not ons - s sred me -- game on for nfl refs, it's gam nonvirginia where the candidates are butting heads in live events in the opened dominion. we're going to ask the chair whether mitt romney can use the debates in his massive war chest to turn his fortunes around. plus, is the trouble in ro/r cig paradise? the daughter of a former presidential candidate join the show live to talk that out. and then coming out of the pro sports closet. my sit-down interview with the one time youngest owner in baseball kev autvein big league homophobia.

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